The earliest known forbear of the surname is Robert de Manieres, a Norman from Mesnieres, near Rouen, Normandy
. His name appeared in the "Roll of Battle Abbey," an honor roll of all those who fought at the Battle of Hastings in 1066 AD. He was first granted land in Kent
under Odo, Bishop of Bayeux. One branch of the family remained in England
to eventually become the Dukes of Rutland with the surname of Manners, the Normanized Saxon way of pronouncing this name. However, with growing dissatisfaction under the Conqueror's rule, one branch of the family (it is not certain whether this was the most senior branch) moved north, probably with Margaret, King Malcolm Ceanmore's second wife, where they were granted lands in Lothian
. They moved from the Lowlands into the Highlands in about 1090. They settled in the Lands of Culdares in Glenylon.
Early Origins of the Méinn family
The surname Méinn was first found in Midlothian
, where it is quite understandable that the native Gaelic had difficulty with this Norman surname, and it can be found in various forms, among them: Mengues, Mingies and Meyners. The reason for these variations is the attempt to pronounce the "y" in Menyers (another variation of the original) in the Gaelic results in a cross between the sound of a "y" and that of a "g". Within a century the Clan
were truly Gaelicized, although for Court purposes the first Chief retained the name of Sir Robert de Meyners.
Sir Robert had risen in court circles, under King Alexander II to the position of Chamberlain of Scotland in 1249. The earliest surviving charter of this Clan is held by the Moncreiffes. In the Charter we find a grant of Lands of Culdares (now spelt Culdair) "as freely, quietly, fully and honorably as any Baron within the Kingdom of Scotland is able to give such land." The witnesses to this deed, which established a barony within the Earldom of Atholl, were David de Meyneris and also Alexander de Meyneris. Sir Robert was also granted lands in Rannoch that had belonged to King Alexander's own family. One cannot then help but conjecture that he had, in fact, married one of the King's daughters (that his sons took the Royal name of David, and Alexander may be evidence to this), but, however, this is not recorded. Sir Alexander, Sir Robert's son, was granted Aberfeldybeg in Strath Tay and the property of Weem. The reason for these grants is again not recorded, but we may draw the same conclusion.
Early History of the Méinn family
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Méinn Spelling Variations
of this family name include: Menzies, Menigees, Mennes, Mengzes, Menzeys, Minges, Méinn (Gaelic) and many more.
Early Notables of the Méinn family (pre 1700)
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Migration of the Méinn family to Ireland
Some of the Méinn family moved to Ireland
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Migration of the Méinn family to the New World and Oceana
Some of the first settlers of this family name or some of its variants were: Archibald and Robert Menzies settled in Virginia in 1716; Mary Menzies settled in North Carolina in 1775; James Menzie settled in Philadelphia in 1868..
The Méinn Motto
The motto was originally a war cry or slogan. Mottoes first began to be shown with arms in the 14th and 15th centuries, but were not in general use until the 17th century. Thus the oldest coats of arms generally do not include a motto. Mottoes seldom form part of the grant of arms: Under most heraldic authorities, a motto is an optional component of the coat of arms, and can be added to or changed at will; many families have chosen not to display a motto.
Motto: Vil God I zal
Motto Translation: Will God I shall.